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Post by rpm750 on Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:42 pm

Wow I'm warn out, my back is killing me. Working on the floor while sitting on it is bad on the ol back!

Floor repair today.....
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Then the middle one....
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I had to stop couple times, Tornado Warning. I also had to cut out my patch panels from the '71 Bus. I will just do some striping tomorrow. Bottle is empty again. Sad

I had planned on using the seat plate but too much patchin to cut in. Time to get this puppy painted.
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Post by rpm750 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:13 pm

Well my back was to sore to do any bending today so I decided to strip the roof. Besides the bottle is empty again.
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Lots to clean up tomorrow night. What ever this stuff is it allowed some rust to form under neath it and this Bus was inside. It all has to come off, can't take that chance.
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Post by Tybomb on Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:37 pm

Bob,
What are you using to scrap the paint, a razor? Looks very clean .
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Post by rpm750 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:16 am

Pete, first it is sprayed with "Aircraft Stripper" Klean-Strip brand in an aerosol. I tried the Rust-oleum, Mar-Hyde brands, stay the freak away from these. Both create a dust cloud that is breath taking. The Rust-oleum is just like the spray paint it gets on everything and it don't take shit off nothing. The Mar-Hyde brand is a little better but has a strong ammonia smell and takes a couple applications. The Klean-Strip is not so smellie but don't get it on the tender parts of your skin it will burn.

Klean-Strip works on the OG paint comes right off also but it is a little tougher than this silver stuff, the stripper will bubble the paint and next I use a 4" wide razor scrapper....
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I have a smaller single blade scrapper that I use on the tighter and tougher spots.
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Post by DOODLE BUGG on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:27 am

so you need to wash your hands before you go pee
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Post by Tybomb on Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:14 am

Yes you do unless you want it to shrivel(ph) away!, ouch!!.
I use a gasket remover and it will bubble the paint. Used to use when I was restoring VIN's on old vehicles etc. Got to wear good rubber gloves, no latex, good ventilation and a bucket of water or hose close by if you do get it on your skin. it's a slow burn but will hurt.

Where did you find the Aircraft- Kleen strip in aerosol can?
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Post by Tybomb on Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:58 am

Bob,
I found Klean-Strip at O'Reilly's.

Thanx
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Post by rpm750 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:28 pm

Tybomb wrote:Bob, I found Klean-Strip at O'Reilly's.

Thanx

Yup, that's where I get mine.
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Post by rpm750 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:57 pm

More work on Moto....

Got the front floor finished up. Welded in the last little patch. Also welded in a patch on the inside middle seat hold down so that one is finished. Still need to grind those to really be finished.

I got my drivers side rocker and battery tray today. Ordered it Monday from Bus Depot and got it on Friday. Wow now that's fast but it only had to come from Pennsylvania.

I sanded some, cleaned the roof some and knocked out some dents. I'll need to etch prime the roof soon it has a brown haze to it, I guess all this moisture in the air is pretty bad. Will go over it with the DA and 220 grit paper first.

Suxs when ya run out of materials to do anything, will have to go stock up on cut disks, Lacquer Thinner, sand paper and more paint stripper.

Oh yeah did a dry fit on the battery tray looks like it will be a nice fit, it is the black one not the orange one. Also dry fit my Zbed hinges. I have to make a small bracket to make it a full size bed but that will not be hard to do. Also will need to weld in some bolt points to hold my big ass when lying in it.
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Post by Tybomb on Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:54 am

Bob, I have to replace my tray also. Got mine from I think CIp1. It was made in Brazil, very heavy duty. Have put about 3 coats of primer and 4 coats of enamel paint on it. When I get it installed will paint it again and do undercoat. That is really a tight place to weld. Have you put on the piece you got from Maxine yet?

Looks like your seeing the light at the end of the tunnel!!
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Post by rpm750 on Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:00 am

Pete, I'm about in the middle of the tunnel now. Better than just entering. I have not put that piece in yet still thinking about the best way to do it. Complex cutting will be required but I'll photo document that as I do it. I was out of gas for the welder also so wanted to finish some of the other parts so I could mark those off my list. One accomplishment at a time will win the fight. As for the paint that has moved to the top of the list right now, don't want all that bare metal to turn on me.
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Post by Tybomb on Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:37 pm

Bob, Know what you mean about the rust. This weather lately is crazy. Supposed to be cold than you know what. We are at Tybee and even the pollen is crazy, not sure what, looks like pine. Are you still in the market to do welding? When I get back home I am going to cut out part of rear floor area of Maxine to replace the front left and right floor of Max. let me know. Got a carhauler to bring it to you if you are able. What kind of welder do you have, tig?

Be safe.
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Post by rpm750 on Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:43 pm

Pete, no I have a MIG. I use a mixed gas CO2/Argon. Will have to think about the welding job. I don't mind doing my stuff, we will see.

Well today was a bit productive, I received my battery tray Friday and today I dove in and installed it. I don't care to do another one, cramped space and I don't like lying on my back welding above my head.

Start....
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I cut the main part of the tray out and then reduced it to slices.....
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I used a drill w/bit to drill out the spot welds. Then used pliers to bend it back and forth to break it loose.

I test fit the tray....
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Figured out where and how it would be welded in. I like to go with the spot weld type welds. But under neath I just did a conventional weld that held the lip and the corner, seems very strong now. I'll sand it and use some seam sealer to seal up the gaps.
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I had to massage the new tray some but it fit nice enough for me. For $29 bucks what do ya expect? I just couldn't pay $75 for Gersons. Maybe $45. This thing will keep my battery from falling out and hold it in place just fine.

I did finish the front floor and the inside cargo floor patch, had to grind down the welds to call it complete.
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Post by Tybomb on Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:45 am

Great looking job! My tray has a big hole (rusted thru) on the front portion of the tray. I was going to trim it out and put the new tray on top of it. I don't think that will work. Going to have to do what you did to make it fit. You would think the Germans would have put the battery in a better place. So much water from the rear tire really degrades that area quickly.
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Post by rpm750 on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:19 pm

Gettin there slowly....
Worked on the cargo floor last night....
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Welded in the third patch for the seat hold section. One more to do and call them done!

Started on this area tonight, looked like this.
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Then I cut out a section...
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Made a patch that I cut from Maxine... (Tybomb's parts Bus)and carefully cut out the area to match the patch. Fits very nice. Will weld it in tomorrow night.
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I did cut out to much along the lip but I'll put in a backer and weld it up.

Lookin like I'll have a paint booth to use to paint "Moto" That will be cool.

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Post by Tybomb on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:51 pm

Bob, the back deck looks like it was bombed, LOL!
Great job. My brother in law, Kary, lives in Newnan, has agreed to do the welding etc on Max. Got her a GA tag so she's legal now!! The wonders of the internet and Hagerty Ins.
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Post by Tybomb on Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:53 pm

Ah, Maxine is now blood sister to Mr. Moto!! Hye!!
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Post by DiggerD on Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:23 pm

Nice work!! cheers

I really like how you are going thru the extra work to only use patch pieces that are matching in color and patina!! Wink
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Post by rpm750 on Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:22 pm

Didn't work on "Moto" today but I did get my trailer back to the house thanks to my good neighbor and his ATV. I did work on reducing the '71 parts Bus, wiring, shift rod, M/C, booster, pedals, headliner bows, horn, shocks(KYB) and some good panels that I'll store somewhere. Lots of little parts and screws, bolts. Still got to cut out some cargo floor sections just to keep for future projects. I then had to Vacuum the drive way, lots of rust lying around and I don't like rust stops in my drive. Yeah I'm a little picky that way. Another day I'll finish stripping it then it's off to the crusher. Sad

I'm beat!
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Post by rpm750 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:58 pm

Back at it today, finished up the Passenger dog leg patch....
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Kind of a gap so added a backer...
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Quick fit check with a door propped up in the opening and gaped a bit.
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Looked good on the quick fit so welded it in and ground it.....
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The next thing on the list are the rockers. I cut a very nice upper section off the parts Bus. The rocker is toast I'll have to get one, I had bought a larger section with the groove but it is way off. Lucky for me the '71 had a nice upper section so I'll make it work with a new rocker....
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Here we go, I've been dreading this but after cutting the '71 up I saw how it was put together so knowledge helps!
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I go at this different, I can't stand drilling out the welds. I just find them grind it, chisel to the next grind, etc...
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Lot cleaner when finished and no possible drill through.
After about 45 min clean fresh opening. I will cut higher up and have the seam on the support that is the cargo floor. I have to wait on the new rocker before moving on. The new rocker has to be welded to the upper section before the entire ass'y is installed and welded.
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By the way a sharp wood chisel cuts way the thin metal and is thinner than a cold chisel. Laugh, laugh. Yeah try it asshole!

Also started on the rocker under the slider. I have that rocker so it might be finished one night this week.
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My goal was paint on 2/11 but looks like that will not happen.


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Post by Tybomb on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:54 pm

Is that you photoing and grinding at the same time.

You sure the other bus was worse off. oops talking about Maxine's blood brother , Moto!! LOL

You need to print this as a documentary.
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Post by rpm750 on Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:54 pm

Ok, don't kill me folks but went the way of the rattle can. It looks great considering that I didn't do any filler or body work at all, not enough time right now I will do that after BAP. I have literally killed myself the last two weeks. Painting, welding, wiring, tires, sandblasting but today I drove it and it was nice. Few issues to finish and fix. It will be going to BAP! I'm stoked, even my wife is excited that she can carry more crap with us camping.

Anyways I needed to take the engine out of my Super Beetle and fix the oil cooler seals, heater box tips so I used an adapter I had and that engine for the time being. I've got all the parts to build a SP 1600. Later, all later.
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Post by LB Bedwell on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:58 am

sorry if you mentioned it, but I missed where you bought the battery tray from
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Post by shaky on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:43 am

Running and stopping, That's awesome Bob. Congrats.
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Post by zabo on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:45 am

but seriously bob- pics man, pics sunny
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