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Post by 1968ghia Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:16 pm

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Post by Bugman114 Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:16 pm

i do like old stuff, but i prolly wouldn't put that kdf logo on my car for obvious reasons. i like my windshields without bricks thru them Laughing
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Post by fluxcap Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:55 am

Bugman114 wrote:i do like old stuff, but i prolly wouldn't put that kdf logo on my car for obvious reasons. i like my windshields without bricks thru them Laughing

Ditto, I actually really love the look of that logo, and both years I've been to bugjam, I have come very close to buying a shirt with it, but then always say to myself, "I can't be walking around with a modified swastika on my shirt".
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Post by Bugman114 Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:02 am

fluxcap wrote:
Bugman114 wrote:i do like old stuff, but i prolly wouldn't put that kdf logo on my car for obvious reasons. i like my windshields without bricks thru them Laughing

Ditto, I actually really love the look of that logo, and both years I've been to bugjam, I have come very close to buying a shirt with it, but then always say to myself, "I can't be walking around with a modified swastika on my shirt".

Hahahaha. they actualy make shirts with that logo on them? wow. i'd be too afraid of being shot wearing that, Laughing .
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Post by vwtattooed Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:06 pm

i was gonna go on a rant about this but i dont want to offend anybody! i'll just say without that "modified" swastika we would'nt have our beloved Volkswagens. Hitler did do one good thing in his life...commisioned the V.W!!!!
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Post by 71_georgia_beetle Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:27 pm

Here is a different list I had.
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Post by 1968ghia Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:33 pm

cool variations!
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Post by 56HAVOC Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:46 pm

Kool I like that 2000 one.
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Post by Damn-it Don Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:04 pm

Just a note on the swatstika thing- It's an ancient symbol that the nazi's molested (i think they rotated it a bit) and disgraced. Formerly, it had a very positive meaning.....but my dumb-butt forgot what that was scratch
Anybody got their brain pan in better working order?

Personally, I always dug the cog look- see the resemblance?
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Post by fluxcap Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:07 pm

Don Hall wrote:Just a note on the swatstika thing- It's an ancient symbol that the nazi's molested (i think they rotated it a bit) and disgraced. Formerly, it had a very positive meaning.....but my dumb-butt forgot what that was scratch
Anybody got their brain pan in better working order?

Yeah, I think it goes back thousands of years as a religous symbol. Way back then I think it was actually a good luck symbol.
Kinda sucks it has such a bad notation now, cause it's actually a really cool symbol.

I've always been a fan of the 1995 sybmol for some reason. Just plain and simple.
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Post by Damn-it Don Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:12 pm

That sounds about right.
....and back then EVERYTHING was religous!
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Post by Goped406 Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:25 pm

fluxcap wrote:
Don Hall wrote:Just a note on the swatstika thing- It's an ancient symbol that the nazi's molested (i think they rotated it a bit) and disgraced. Formerly, it had a very positive meaning.....but my dumb-butt forgot what that was scratch
Anybody got their brain pan in better working order?

Yeah, I think it goes back thousands of years as a religous symbol. Way back then I think it was actually a good luck symbol.
Kinda sucks it has such a bad notation now, cause it's actually a really cool symbol.

I've always been a fan of the 1995 sybmol for some reason. Just plain and simple.

i think it might have to do something with egypitian symbol but i could be wrong
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Post by Damn-it Don Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:32 pm

farao
I was thinking Native (American?) Indian or Oriental.......
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Post by vwtattooed Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:08 pm

The swastika dates back to before Egyptian time and has been used by almost every society at some point in history. the origins of the symbol are the four elements:earth,wind,water and light.many cultures believed the symbol to be one of good luck. Germany used it as their nations symbol in the 1800's. unfortunately people now automatically relate it with Nazis...just like we stereotype everybody! thats it for today's history lesson and i will get off my soapbox now!!
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Post by Bugman114 Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:33 pm

Some symbols used in ancient times were turned in the opposite direction as the nazi swastika, some were the same.

Heres a link to the wiki page on it. pretty interesting read:

SWASTIKA LINK
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Post by Damn-it Don Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:07 am

i will get off my soapbox now!!

VWGirl- Don't you dare!!!!!
We need more people using those ! Twisted Evil
Seriously- thanks for filling in the blanks everybody cheers
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Post by 71_georgia_beetle Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:20 pm

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A Swastika
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The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. The Nazis used it to murder millions of people, but for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?

The Oldest Known Symbol

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

* China - wan
* England - fylfot
* Germany - Hakenkreuz
* Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
* India - swastika

Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.

The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis

In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.
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Post by 56HAVOC Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:59 pm

Ok SCOTT BUREL that's enough your giving to much info LOL!!!!! we get what your trying to say, at least some. Personally I would have rather you put it in a video. You know how we luv your videos lol.
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Post by Goped406 Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:01 pm

71_georgia_beetle wrote:"Swastika"

A Swastika
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The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. The Nazis used it to murder millions of people, but for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?

The Oldest Known Symbol

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

* China - wan
* England - fylfot
* Germany - Hakenkreuz
* Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
* India - swastika

Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.

The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis

In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.

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Post by 71_georgia_beetle Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:46 pm

Here is some Hindu history. The "Hook" cross. Here is a video, Malik
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Post by 56HAVOC Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:54 pm

Now that was great. Your to much dude LOL!!!!!! your the new you-tube king. Butgreat info.
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Post by vwgirl Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:36 pm

Don Hall wrote:i will get off my soapbox now!!

VWGirl- Don't you dare!!!!!
We need more people using those ! Twisted Evil
Seriously- thanks for filling in the blanks everybody cheers

Wait, what did I do? I think everything has been covered or linked to be covered...

I have an old Indian rug that has right and left facing swastikas on it... pretty sweet rug... but unfortunately hard to display thanks to the nazis Sad I really don't think most people would associate the kdf logo... i'd rock it... although my friend has a 45 adapter tattooed on his arm and someone mistook it for a swastika, so who knows...

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Post by Bugman114 Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:36 pm

how could anyone mistake a 45rpm adaptor for a swastika??? i mean, its missing an arm, lol.
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Post by Damn-it Don Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:29 am

Bugman114 wrote:how could anyone mistake a 45rpm adaptor for a swastika??? i mean, its missing an arm, lol.

and DEFINETLY a cool tat!
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Post by rpm750 Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:57 am

I remember back in the late 80's possibly the early 90's an article in HotVW Mag about folks complaining about German Army displays. The vehicles were authentic restored pieces that were Air-cooled/VW based. The display also had mannequins that were outfitted with Nazi uniforms. Wow what a stink that was. VW History for sure but for some a vivid reminder of Hatred.
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