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Post by Jon65 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:39 pm

Hey guys,

I want to install some gauges in my bug so I can monitor the engine more accurately. The gauges that I want is a tach ( http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2325 ), a oil psi gauge ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Gauge-Cockpit-Black-Face-p/v350040.htm ), and a oil temp gauge ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-300F-Oil-Temp-Gauge-Cockpit-Black-Face-p/v310012.htm ). These gauges will be mounted in a dash panel that goes in place of the speaker panel ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-Gauge-Panel-Left-Side-14-1003-0-p/14-1003-0.htm )

I know that I'm going to need an oil psi sender, like this: ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Sending-Unit-1-8-27-NPTF-p/v360003.htm ), which will be installed in a tee with the stock sender.

a mech oil psi gauge tubing kit: http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Mechanical-Gauge-Tubing-Kit-16-p/v150855.htm

and an oil temp sender like this:  ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-300F-Oil-Temp-Sending-Unit-18-X-1-5mm-p/v323064.htm )



So my question is, what else do I need besides what I have mentioned already?

Thanks for any help.
-Jon

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by fluxcap on Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:07 pm

Jon65 wrote:Hey guys,

I want to install some gauges in my bug so I can monitor the engine more accurately. The gauges that I want is a tach ( http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2325 ), a oil psi gauge ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Gauge-Cockpit-Black-Face-p/v350040.htm ), and a oil temp gauge ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-300F-Oil-Temp-Gauge-Cockpit-Black-Face-p/v310012.htm ). These gauges will be mounted in a dash panel that goes in place of the speaker panel ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-Gauge-Panel-Left-Side-14-1003-0-p/14-1003-0.htm )

I know that I'm going to need an oil psi sender, like this: ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Sending-Unit-1-8-27-NPTF-p/v360003.htm ), which will be installed in a tee with the stock sender.

a mech oil psi gauge tubing kit: http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Mechanical-Gauge-Tubing-Kit-16-p/v150855.htm

and an oil temp sender like this:  ( http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-300F-Oil-Temp-Sending-Unit-18-X-1-5mm-p/v323064.htm )



So my question is, what else do I need besides what I have mentioned already?

Thanks for any help.
-Jon

I may be wrong, but I think the oil pressure gauge you have selected is electrical, not mechanical, so you wouldn't need the oil psi tubing kit.  You would instead, need these:
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Sending-Unit-10-X-1mm-p/v360001.htm
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-Sending-Unit-T-Adapter-1-8-27-V240850-p/v240850.htm (I'm not totally sure this adapter has the correct threads, may want to ask John at Aircooled before ordering)

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by fluxcap on Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:27 pm

Ok, that adapter I posted above does not have the correct threads.  Stock oil sender hole is 10x1mm threads, so you would need to find a "T" with those threads.

Or you could just get a dual sender
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-80psi-Oil-Pressure-Sending-Unit-10-X-1mm-p/v360006.htm
but according to Aircooled.net, this one will make your oil light come on at idle.  But hey, you'll have a guage, so I guess you can keep a check on the pressure that way, lol.

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Jon65 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:48 pm

Yeah, it didn't say whether it was an electric gauge or mech so I thought it was a mech. I was wanting to get a mechanical one like this one, but they are sold out. Is there any good/bad differences between a mech. oil psi and an electric one?

And what else would I need for the tach?

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Post by type4revolution on Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:15 pm

Gauges are just pretty items that clutter vws . Save your money and use it elsewhere. 95 % of all gauges are inaccurate and should never be used. If you have a correctly built engine and drive it within its operating limits it will last you a long time. Get a dipstick warning device and drive it. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1380307
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Jon65 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:06 pm

type4revolution wrote:Gauges are just pretty items that clutter vws . Save your money and use it elsewhere. 95 % of all gauges are inaccurate and should never be used. If you have a correctly built engine and drive it within its operating limits it will last you a long time. Get a dipstick warning device and drive it. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1380307

Thank you for your advice. I have heard what you have said about gauges in VW's before, but I still would like to install these gauges so that I can be able to make sure that I can make my car last a long time. Even if they are inacurate, they can at least give a ballpark idea of a numerical reading of the engine conditions.

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by DiggerD on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:42 pm

You will find that once you install gauges, you will be constantly watching them and obsessing over every little twitch. I have found the best gauge to be your ears. A VW engine will tell you when it's not happy if you listen close enough. This is why I don't put radios in my Aircooled's as well.....
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by type4revolution on Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:55 am

Again unless you are doing some crazy test or scientif of your car or engines life . Take a lesson from the old folks and listen to what your vw is saying. I have very few vws with radios unless they came stock with from the factory. Save your money and buy some nice oem goodies to spruce up that nice 65. X2 diggerD
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Jon65 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:43 am

Ok, I underdstand what you guys are saying. Thank you.

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Grifspop on Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:39 am

Nothing like having the sound system cranked up, driving along at a good pace, and seeing the warning lights come on in the bottom of the speedometer Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad 
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Damn-it Don on Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:20 pm

Grifspop wrote:Nothing like having the sound system cranked up, driving along at a good pace, and seeing the warning lights come on in the bottom of the speedometer Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad 
 
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Post by cjvan71 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:44 pm

If you feel better with gauges install gauges. Everything about vw's has people and opinions on both sides either for or against. I have a Volksrod. Trust me God do people have opinions.
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Post by pwmcguire on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:05 pm

I feel a need to have a temperature gauge. I have managed to resist.
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Damn-it Don on Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:38 pm

I installed a cheap-o voltmeter. The needle vibrates very wildly, but it does make me feel a little bit better while I straighten out my electrical system. (ie- car doesn't start? Yup, the battery is dead again). Guess thats not too helpful.
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by fluxcap on Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:03 pm

Jon65 wrote:Yeah, it didn't say whether it was an electric gauge or mech so I thought it was a mech. I was wanting to get a mechanical one like this one, but they are sold out. Is there any good/bad differences between a mech. oil psi and an electric one?

And what else would I need for the tach?

Tach needs nothing but some wire.  No sender is needed.  Just run a wire to it from the negative side of your coil for the input.   You'll also need to supply power and a ground.  I have a cheap one I paid like $30 for at autozone in both my bug and bus.  They both read pretty dang close to what my dwell/tach meter says.  

Aircooled has that mechanical gauge you are wanting, though it cost a good bit more than the CB price.  
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VDO-Mechanical-Oil-Pressure-Gauge-2-1-16-Black-p/v150030.htm

I think the mechanical gauges are supposed to be a little more accurate, but I'd be worried about the hose coming off and spraying oil everywhere.  

I don't really care so much for the oil pressure readings, but would like some type of temperature gauge someday.

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Jon65 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:31 pm

Yeah, I might still get some gauges eventually, but for the time being I will wait for CB's oil psi gauge to come back in stock that way I can buy all of the parts from one place at the same time.

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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Heinz57 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:57 pm

Here is a site that has some OEM style gauge panels that are made of metal not plastic.

http://vwsunroofs.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=gauge+bezel
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Re: What is required to install gauges?

Post by Jon65 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:43 am

Heinz57 wrote:Here is a site that has some OEM style gauge panels that are made of metal not plastic.

http://vwsunroofs.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=gauge+bezel

That looks sweet. Thanks.Cool

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